Say, would it be fine to consolidate this, Template:GuestsNavbox, and Template:AbnormalityNavbox into one? All non-General receptions have story episodes, and the Abnormalities are just Patron Librarian fights. All of this leads to everything being so scattered, it's hard to find what you're looking for. I don't think the navbox would end up that much bigger than any single one of them already is, since they have buncha repeating data EPF (talk) 09:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm thinking something like this (correct me if I'm wrong about ordering, I'm only at Urban Plague plus I don't remember everything. The Patron Librarians/Abnormalities section is especially messy, bleh. I'm especially unsure what the hell's going on with upper floors/lower layers. bleh) (it would be collapsed like all other navboxes, naturally): EPF (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, GuestsNavbox and AbnormalityNavbox can def get merged tbh. I'd rather keep the story navbox separate though, just for division of the stages and story episodes. The guest lore overview pages are only here because it's easier to group that way - the abno battles aren't as helpful in that way imo FDSMDP (talk) 23:34, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, as we stand, it's really hard to chase down the story episodes on the wiki. Plus like, compare the SotC section from the current iterations Story_Navbox and GuestsNavbox. They're the same thing outside of the general receptions and story transcript links, it's just that they're oriented differently. Story_Navbox follows the game ordering more organically, with later receptions being placed further down instead of to the right. Both leave Liu Association Section 2 easily linked, and neatly adding Liu Association Section 2 Ⅱ as well shouldn't be too difficult. And with the change I propose, it'd be much, much easier to find the story transcripts. I had no idea the wiki even had them, they were so hidden.
- If the current • separator system is too messy, maybe those could be converted into invisible tables or something...? So that everything in one column would actually form a neat column. EPF (talk) 13:19, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Made the table-y version. Its biggest con is that it's slightly taller than the OG ver, it has a bit extra empty vertical space. Otherwise it should be much clearer than the OG. EPF (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, looks neat. I think this is a better format whatever ends up done with combining the templates. How's it look with the receptions listed? FDSMDP (talk) 05:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- As in linking [[Streetlight Office/Episode 1|Streetlight Office]] and [[Streetlight Office/Episode 2|Lulu of Streetlight]] instead of just Streetlight Office? EPF (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Made the version with episode names. I also made Template:EpisodeCells for it, since the format got a little hard to read eventually. Ideally I'd like to implement the @media thing from this, but I have no idea how to do it, so for now, that template is just another borderless table. I dunno what to do about Impuritas episodes, so they're staying as Episode ? for now. EPF (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'd like to request assistance with stories labelled as Special in the game's files, I uploaded them onto [[User:EPF/Special]]. Do they just go in the middle of the fight articles or what? I also made articles for the Impuritas transcripts but since I haven't actually experienced it myself yet I kind of. Lumped everything together. Like, all of Reverberation Ensemble is one article which feels sub-optimal because it's really long. EPF (talk) 09:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Special episodes in the middle of receptions (philip, xiao, reverb distorted, head) can just go in their normal story pages. The general works realization ones (1000_6_#) are already in Floor Realization (General Works)/Story. The Reverb Ensemble ones may be better off being put on the invidual fight pages, imo FDSMDP (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- What about story 999/intro to abnormality battles? Also, how does the current ver of the navbox (bottom of the page) look? Outside of the missing mobile-friendliness I mentioned earlier... And how should I split Impuritas up exactly (as in both articles, and as in for the navbox) EPF (talk) 16:49, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Looks fine. I just updated the reception name format so I'll go ahead and update the links in the mockup. For mobile I think the only problem is if the navbox scales past the page body, but that's not specific to this and can probably be resolved by hiding overflow-x. I'm also not fond of the abnormality colors, bc they don't say anything useful for LOR, but that's also not specific to this navbox
- Ah, I forgot that existed. What do you think about having story 999 just be a page of its own titled like "Abnormality Battle Intro" or something like that? It can go in the Other tab and be crosslinked where relevant.
- If you ask me, I think Impuritas can stay as is for the navbox. For articles, I'd say keep the reverb prologue and epilogue together like on "The Reverberation Ensemble Story" or "The Reverberation Ensemble Episode 1" (pref for consistency?) we can split off the Reverb Ensemble stage intros onto the individual stage pages so Malkuth vs. Philip can go on The Reverberation Ensemble/The Crying Children for example (or a subpage of it? Limbus wiki does stuff like that, but that goes into double subpage territory and I really want to avoid that).
- The three endings from the Black Silence episode are better moved into a dedicated Endings page imo. We can crosslink those pages to each other where needed.
- Ensemble Distorted and the Head are fine as is imo, at most maybe just change "Story" to "Episode 1" for consistency? FDSMDP (talk) 17:43, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Imo it'd be better to change the other stories from Episode N to Story, ngl. Like, most of them only have one episode after all, and the late ones don't really fit the Episode system cleanly from what I could gather. Then again, some reception groups have a story subpage with a summary already, like [[The_Reverberation_Ensemble/Story]]... I don't really like having Page Subpage and Page/Subpage both, and having them be different things...
- As for the abno colors, yeah, they're kind of distracting. Plus the Ruina exclusive abnos don't have risk levels anyway, so they have that awkward gray... I think it's fine to remove them.
- As for Ensemble and Silence split... So the navbox would stay as-is, and those pages would only have
Prologue/Episode and
Episode 1 Pre/Post-Battle directly (and Specials, ofc), with the rest of sections being moved to separate pages that'd be linked with a Template:For or something? Hm. I prefer all story to be available at one click from the navbox, but at the same time, I can't imagine cramming 12 or so episodes of Argalia's bs into one line of a navbox... Yeah okay, I think that's a good idea for the main navbox to just have a Story page for those linked. Then doing something similar to the Template:RatsNavbox for the Ensemble fights that'd include story pages would be a good compromise, to still be able to go straight from, say, Malkuth to Roland.
- As for 999, yeah, seems like a good idea. EPF (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I get the concern with Story and /Story. The reception name moves should get rid of issues there, and I've also merged out the subpages. General Works Realization/Story I'll keep as is tho FDSMDP (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I made yet another version of this template. This time I implemented the @media thing I mentioned earlier, plus made it take up less vertical space. It's at User:EPF/Sandbox. I think it should be more-or-less done by now. EPF (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
New ver with invisible tables
Episode names